In this podcast I sit down with Ncumisa Ncama to explore how ancestral money trauma shows up in our everyday lives as burnout, self-neglect, and chronic over-functioning.

The episode opens with an important community update: Vangile shares her decision to pause the Fireside Chats, and announces that Numi will be holding this space in 2026–2027. Students will continue to have lifetime access to the course and its teachings.

From there, the conversation moves into the heart of the work: how money trauma is not just about spending or saving, but about our relationship with ourselves. Vangile and Ncumisa unpack how girls are often socialised into a vow of service, learning from a young age to care for others, fix problems, and abandon their own needs, while boys are more often supported to centre themselves.

These early, seemingly small moments in the home become lifelong patterns that shape how we relate to work, rest, money, and worth.

They explore why women often take longer to heal money wounds, carrying layers of ancestral and womb-level trauma that show up as beliefs like “I must work extremely hard,” “I don’t deserve money,” or “my value comes from sacrifice.”

The conversation also looks at how modern, abstract money, numbers on a screen, has disconnected us from the grounded, relational way our ancestors understood wealth, stewardship, and investment, compounding distrust and trauma around money.

Ncumisa shares a powerful personal story from childhood that formed the belief “it’s hard to take care of me,” showing how subtle, non-obvious experiences can encode lifelong patterns of self-neglect.

When we are always “hunting” or chasing money, we remain stuck in fight-or-flight which affects not only our own health, but future generations.

The episode closes with gentle, practical starting points: revisiting key course lessons on early wounds, using breathwork to regulate guilt around rest and spending, and engaging in womb-centred practices that support deeper self-connection.

This is a conversation about money, yes but even more so, it is about remembering ourselves, restoring our capacity to receive, and healing the generational patterns that keep us exhausted, overgiving, and disconnected from abundance.